See the picture below
A Separator has operating temperature of 120 F with design temperature of 145F. Looking at simulation above, in only two stages of temperature increase, the temperature will reach 150F.
After fire, the temperature will increase commonly above the design temperature. And even in some cases, the vessel could rupture before increasing pressure reaches PSV’s setting pressure. In other word, the vessel will have ruptured before the PSV open. Thus, the PSV doesn’t provide adequate protection for the vessel in case of fire.
For example, the following picture show that the metal plate temperature reaches 1200 F in only 15 minutes after fire.
That is, actually, the PSV doesn’t provide adequate protection for the vessel in case of fire. Therefore, some other options for vessel protection from fire case beside the PSV should be considered, such as: 1. Depressuring 2. External cooling 3. External insulation 4. Provide proper drainage
My friend, for now, we already know the fact that PSV will not give adequate protection for vessel in fire case. But, why do we always provide PSV as protection devise of the vessel? Why do we consider for fire case too? That could be a joke, right? In my opinion, that is all to meet the CODE requirement
My friend, a note shall be made, although the relieving temperature is higher than the design temperature, and the PSV is not efficient to protect the vessel against fire, the PSV remain to be designed based on the relieving temperature, since the PSV is installed as a safe guard
I still remember, one of our friends has ever asked me; at that time, he did calculation of fire case for instrument air receiver, the relieving temperature was exceeding the maximum allowable for 150# rating pipe. The question was, whether the 150# pipe rating of inlet PSV would be needed to be increased to 300# or not?
Of course NOT, the pipe rating class of 150# does not need to be increased to 300#, since the determination of pipe rating shall based on maximum condition without consider fire case.
Besides that, it is not common to design PSV for instrument air system with fire case. Personally, I prefer calculate the PSV load of instrument air receiver based on blocked outlet case (if it is possible). Furthermore, In some cases, it might not be applicable to size PSV of instrument air receiver based on fire case. Actually, it shall be based on FERA (Fire and Explosion Risk Assessment) justification whether the instrument air receiver included in fire zone or not.
The block outlet case has more possibility occurred than the fire case. Based on my experience, the load of block outlet is also smaller than un-wetted fire case. Therefore, it is better to design PSV of instrument air based on block outlet case than fire case. Moreover, if you still design PSV based on fire case to consider worst case load, that PSV will not provide adequate protection for the vessel: D.
Do you agree with me, don't you?
Talk back in comment section below and let me know your opinion !
What about relieving temperature for blocked outlet case? In case of blocked outlet the temperature will rise due to pressure increase. What i normally do, is to calculate the temperature rise based on compression case. Is this correct? In most of the cases i end up with temp. Much higher than the normal operating temp.
ReplyDeleteFor blocked outlet case simulation using HYSYS,
ReplyDeleteWe can use balance the mol and the enthalphy, then increase the pressure.
if you model it with the compressor , there is any efficiency factor that you must consider.
How can one determin Minimum Design Metal Temperature for an Air Cooler using Depressuring Utility from HYSYS?
ReplyDeleteIn one of our system, piping and equipment design temperature is adequately sized for normal operating temperature conditions with some margins. But during relief temperature temperature of the piping and equipment is way above the design temperature.
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Just my opinion:
ReplyDeleteIt is very difference between design temperature and maximum wall temperature.
for example: pressure vessel (material: steel plate) OP= 15 barg; OT = 50 C ; DP= 16.5 barg; DT= 65 C. from here we know that design temperature is 65 C, but the maximum wall temperature is 593 C.
The PSV (fire case) is installed to protect the vessel (beside from pressure) also to "prevent" the temperature reach maximum wall temperature, not design temperature.
in your case :"A Separator has operating temperature of 120 F with design temperature of 145F. Looking at simulation above, in only two stages of temperature increase, the temperature will reach 150F". if relief temperature is 150 or higher (>1100 F, for steel plate) it will no rupture. so PSV is very helpfull.
and if reliefing temperature above maximum wall temperatre (not design temperature) so you have some option i.e 1) water spray to cooling vessel wall, 2) lowered the design pressure if possible, 3) choose material which have higher maximum wall temperature and etc.,
in addition, use FERA to decide that instrument air need PSV fire case or not is not common, FERA usually used to decide layout (equipment location), PFP requirment or etc.,
and finally, In my opinion, PSV that is NOT ONLY all to meet the CODE requirement BUT ALSO really protect process equipment.
Thank you for sharing Mr Triyanto.